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The Kirk---Course format / Forum

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looki's picture

Well I am about the start laying out the course for the first event in the VIHSS "The KiRk".

I have options to make the course long and gnarly with lower speeds and laps being between 1 hour and 2 hours.

 

Or I can do a short loop that is faster and with more flow. I am thinking lap times between 15-- 25 minutes

 

Chime in on you preferance before my horns are fully extended and you gets some thing evil.

 

 

Tim Aka Looki

bigwavedave's picture

the harder the better.  just my two cents, though.

dave

willy559's picture

Fast and flow! With a couple nasty section! But shorter loop!

BikerDAD450F's picture

For something different, I'd like to see a short loop, so the fans can get a look at the riders more times, and the riders can get used to the course, (less than 1/2 hour loops)

 

my 2 cents

How797's picture

I'm with willy on that one!

aussie's picture

as much as I love tight and tough you have to remember its good to get the new guys used to this type of racing and a faster smoother course is better and of course make it real good for the fans then we as a sport will benifit from this.Also great work for designing the course and having to ask on a forum I thinks its brillant,keep up the good work Tim

 

wade's picture

Must have a bit of everything, good flow but also some tough & nasty. I like lap times 30- 50 min.

rmrider's picture

Quick question, What is a good 19"/21" tire combo to run for the Kirk H.S race area. I am going to throw a fresh set of sneakers on the scoot for the race. I have never ridden on the island so i'm just looking for a better idea of the terrain, I've seen some of those video's and it looks pretty kool. Don't care about longgevity, just want something thats gonna rip. Thanx

BikerDAD450F's picture

to rmrider: I'd go with most any INT   compound,,  I like the MX51.   or the S12

looki's picture

Thanks for the feed back guys... Fast -- flow looks like the way to go...

 

Looki

kaos's picture

although i'd probably only enter a couple events i think the tougher the better to make the series stand out.when one watches the euro events (such as the red bull events) and sees the spectators helping out  it makes an event memorable.as compared to the more motocross style of bikes just hauling ass going by.hats off to the vihss and also this new site,its nice to see.

langford's picture

I'm with kaos, the tougher and longer the better, yet you could still have plenty of flow in between the hard.  There's a good oppurtunity to make the Sooke event really stand out as a race to really challange people that will be talked about all year.  Make it long and hard:  3 laps of 1 1/2+ hour loops, which would be easy to pull off out there. 

Tlineman's picture

Tough sections are what bring me to the races as long as they aren't too close to the start. Riders have to be allowed time to space out so that a mulitple class bottleneck doesn't happen too early in a race where eager riders may get too aggresive and cause some nasty pile ups

Jarrett's picture

I Jarrett May, as creater of the VIHSS would like to see the direction of our new series sway towards the harder, more technical and gnarly trails. But this is the first year, so we dont want to scare off all new comers to our sport by having too hard of events. There is good amount that love the nasty, but there is also a good amount that just want to go out  and have fun at a more leisurely pace.  Also, There is the chance of weather conditions, ( snow lines) being too low at Boyds to  even  be able to reach those type of trails. 

Either way, I know Tim, Andy, and the rest of the VMC are doing a great job to make their events a success.  It will be a great race!

RYY's picture

Just my two cents also.  Being a fairly new rider on the Hare scramble scene and knowing Bodys with my limited knowledge I think we would be able to find a happy medium in length and technical difficulty.  I  for one would like somthing a little longer so that all the classes and riders are spread out and I am not being passed every few minutes or worse than being passed every few mintues is I would be holding up the faster riders while trying to find a good place to pull over and let them pass.  But as Jarrett has stated the snow levels may change the whole configuration.  For the faster more lap guys it sounds like the Naniamo and Comox races will be short high number of laps.  Where as sooke has always been known to have long tough and technical rides.  Just my thoughts take them for what they are Tim.

 

Thanx

RYY

Marko's picture

I'd like to add another dimension to the thoughts on course design. Wear and tear on your trails.

Longer loops mean fewer bike passes over the terrain, spreading the wear out over a longer course. Of course this does move more towards cross country than hare scrambles? As you may expect, I'd prefer a long course.

But it's your event and I'll come either way!

cheers 

Simon's picture

despite not being that good at them, i really like open fast races like the moosy pumpkin at the end of lats year.  drifting motard style on dirt is more fun then motard!!

i like the the extremely hard technical races like the cat scratch in squamish even more!! its my only chance to pass guys who are way faster then me!

i think the best format for a race on the island a very hard (with bypass trails for B classes) 40-60km clover leafed shape loop. it is nice if it can come close to the start fish 2-3 times for the photographers and have a way out if your bike dies. no matter how hard you make it there is still lots of open trial and dirt road between the hard bits. gives you time to get flowing again and there is bypass for some classes.

boyds area would be hard to do a true clover leaf but there is lots out there to choose from. i dont think snow will be an issue on march 20th.

 

 

BikerDAD450F's picture

Great thought Simon, I like your way of thinking.   lets not overdo it for the B riders, but at the same time, lets give the racers (A-class) some real challenge.  Either way it is about endurance, but if I was 50 plus, I would want a course that I could ride for 2 hrs straight and still walk away happy.

Jarrett's picture

Hows it looking down south island? Are we goimg to be ok  with the march 20th date still? Hopefuly warms up and snow melts and we dont have to change anything around.  Everyone is so pumped to race it is unbelievable. Soon,,,,,, soon.

BikerDAD450F's picture

It is melting and warming down here, we'll know for sure this weekend,  I believe Tim is leading a gang of loyal followers on a trail trimming day.

 

Cheers

Simon's picture

the rain has knocked the snow down to almost nothing.

i would personally rather have a shorter lower loop then a change in date!!!!!

 

see you all on the 20th!!!

breeze's picture

I was out at Boyd's today.

Had expected to be doing some trail grooming for the loop, but no one told me is wasn't happening today.

Snow is currently a couple k up from the pit. The open roads seem to have the most snow, off in the woods, not so much. Another week of warm weather, it'll all be gone down low.

Simon's picture

i was out there too!

we almost made the whole "old expert loop"  (from last event up there).  at the very top back of the loop there was 30cm of (old) snow.

if it is warm and raining for the next 2 weeks it will be all gone. if its cold and snowy im going out there to fire my rifle at some clouds...................................

saw 1.5 new trials (old trails re-opened)

will post another update next week. 

BikerDAD450F's picture

Just to kickstart an old thread... 2012 KIRK Hare Scrambles. Tim and Kitt and friends will be heading out to Boyd's this Sunday to trim and clean the route for the Kirk, likely around 10 am ish at the hiway. We have no gate key until the weekend of the event so do as per usual and park on the side of the hi-way.

Andy James
cap-city@shaw.ca
VMC enduro coordinator

flyingcritter's picture

See you out there tomorrow!

Let's make this one a great first race

BikerDAD450F's picture

ACTION MOTORCYCLES AND
THE VICTORIA MOTORCYCLE CLUB
PRESENT:The KIRK Hare Scramble
_______________________________________
ROUND 1 OF THE VIHSS
SUNDAY APRIL 1ST

SIGN UP 8 TO 10:30 AM
RIDERS MEETING 10:45 AM
RACING STARTS 11:00 AM

LOCATION: BOYD'S PIT, SOOKE
3/4 HR WEST OF VICTORIA

A LOOP AND B LOOP (SPLITS) TO SUIT MOST SKILL LEVELS
A RIDERS – 3 HR CUT OFF B RIDERS --- 2 HR CUT OFF
THERE WILL BE A SHORT KIDS RACE NEAR THE PITS DURING SIGN UP,
PARENT HELPERS ARE NEEDED, TO HELP MAKE THIS A SUCCESS , KIDS 8 TO 14

SPARK ARRESTORS ARE REQUIRED, 96 DB NOISE LIMIT, VISIT WWW.PNWMA.COM FOR EVENT RULES
A PNWMA RACE LICENCE IS MANDATORY. INDIVIDUAL - $30,FAMILY - $40, DAY PASS -$15
BCORMA TRAIL PASSES ARE ENCOURAGED($45) SUPPORT YOUR PUBLIC TRAILS
RACE COST $40. FREE SOUVENIR SHIRT TO THE FIRST 70 ENTRANTS

THE ELITE CLASS PURSE IS $600/ 1ST-$300 2ND-$200 3RD-$100
$100 MYSTERY CLASS PURSE
CONCESSIONS WILL BE AVAILABLE AND TIM HORTONS IS BACK!

THANKS TO ALL OF THE VOLUNTEER HELPERS, MORE ARE NEEDED CALL KITT

Tanner Davy-Rekers's picture

when did the kids race age limit start at 8 not 4 or 5

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